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#1 Brian.cannabis.ca

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Posted 03 June 2015 - 09:33 PM

http://thehydropothecary.com

 

They have 4 strains available:

Good Morning 13.3% THC, CBD  0%

Midday THC 5.33%, CBD 8.63%

After Dinner THC 15.6%, CBD 0% vault reserve THC 17.6%, CBD 0%

Bedtime THC 19.3%, CBD 0% vault reserve THC 24%, CBD 0.1%

 

All strains are 15$/g.This LP claims a guaranteed supply. No word on how much shipping costs. 24/7 support.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 02:47 AM

LMAO. $15/g with no real strain names. good luck with that business plan.

 

At least Tilray tries to justify it with high THC levels.

 

Why on earth would anyone sign up?

 

I feel ripped off buying Master Kush at $15/g but at least I know its actually Master Kush and it will work for me. 


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 03:22 PM

This place seems like a joke. Or it's run by the other Lps to make them more attractive. Right now in my life I don't have much time to be fuckin around with my medicine, and this place seems like they try to make it easier but they do the opposite. The fella on the phone tried to tell me that health canada was wrong when they said signing up with an lp would affect my mmar pupl status. Hydropothecary claims i can, and to phone health canada back because that's wrong, I'll do some investigating.

The big issue for me is that they would not tell me what any of their strains are. Only hybrids. That is very important for me to know since I get relief from most indica kush but aggravated by some haze and sativas. He could not say what is what but to only use the after dinner. And it's 15/g all the way up for a lb! No compassionate pricing. They are asking too much without telling us anything about it. Not even a terpene profile or a general description.

The only upside is that they are open 24/7 incase the cops need to check up on ya, but so is Tilray and from my perspective it seems all this company is doing is making Tilray look good. While they do the opposite for themselves.

So il ask what the above member did and ask why any one would sign up? Oh guaranteed supply on a mystery strain. It could be m39 crap or it could be Congolese fire. But I'll never know
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 04:24 PM

This place seems like a joke. Or it's run by the other Lps to make them more attractive. Right now in my life I don't have much time to be fuckin around with my medicine, and this place seems like they try to make it easier but they do the opposite. The fella on the phone tried to tell me that health canada was wrong when they said signing up with an lp would affect my mmar pupl status. Hydropothecary claims i can, and to phone health canada back because that's wrong, I'll do some investigating.

 

Signing up to an LP only affects your MMAR status if you use your original MMAR documents to get registered with an LP. If you get a new MMPR document- your MMAR is still valid- IN THEORY. Nothing has been proven.


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Posted 04 June 2015 - 05:29 PM

I asked health canada about using a different medical document and they told me there was "a database" and once I submitted my application to an lp my mmar pupl status becomes sketchy. They advised not to sign up. I probably could have had insurance through my school too but I know that I grow what works but I don't know for sure if what they grow works as well. I can't afford to find out that it doesn't. I am seriously ill and everyday is a privilege. I thank the government and the laws of canada for letting me explore and find what works. I strive to live without interference. I have stopped letting the government affect my liberties and the security of my person. I do as I would if the system was not so broken, and in the end what matters is that we all mitigate our losses through this bs shitstorm that the mmpr lp market has become. The whole point of growing my own was to remove the commodity aspect from my medicine so that there was nothing in the way of my therapy. Now it seems there couldn't be more against my therapy and the goal of health and wellness. It has become a nasty greedy business that is just as bad if not worse than the gangs pushing on the black market. I don't even believe their lab tests they only use one lab and almost every lp is different. Il wait inside until the storm passes. Hopefully there is enough to get me by until then
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Posted 04 June 2015 - 05:51 PM

I asked health canada about using a different medical document and they told me there was "a database" and once I submitted my application to an lp my mmar pupl status becomes sketchy. They advised not to sign up.

 

I feel like this is HC using scare tactics- which is BS. They should have a crystal clear answer for you.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 03:58 AM

Yes they should. But the whole fact that they say this like this proves the mmpr is not helping folks like me, who cannot even try the medicine if it were available. This is a big step backwarda

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:05 AM

The answer is that it isnt crystal clear until someone takes it to court. 

MMAR licenses are all long expired but still valid.

 

The MMPR allowed for transfer of remaining months on the MMAR license.

When you did this, you had to physically give your license away. 

At that time MMAR was repealed and it looked like home gardens would be ending.

 

Then came the injunction and patients could decide to keep their gardens.

Instead of forcing patients to give up MMAR licenses LP's began suggesting patients sign up for MMPR with a new document so they dont physically lose the old one.

 

I would think that any information listed on an LP's website should be true since Health Canada polices these sites.

 

Remember there is also a 150g limit that is fairly small if you are growing, drying and storing/curing, and purchasing from an LP.


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 02:06 PM

The 150 gram limit is not on your storage. If it were it would prohibit harvesting of more than a plant at once. The limit is a carry limit, and my storage amount has not changed.

And unfortunately yes the only way to really get clarification on all of this is to take it to court and I can assure you that I would not be able to endure the stress of a court battle which is why I am glad there are others standing up to fight.

And ya sure I could register with a new document. Which I already have by the way. But I can't take the chance that by even registering with an lp I somehow disqualify myself from mitigated criminal liability in the event the police want to question the medical necessity of my garden.

My real issue is changing the production site and increasing my dose. The 150 gram limit is affecting my doctor in his limiting his prescriptions though, as I am now not to use more than five grams a day. I can't let it bother me, life is too short. Let's keep it on track though. I would like to hear from someone who has sampled hydropothecary cannabis
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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:24 PM

Cannabis in Canada blog post about this LP:

 

 

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This week Gatineau’s Hydropothecary became Canada’s eighteenth licensed producer of medical cannabis under Health Canada’s Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations (MMPR), and the first in Quebec. The company has passed all of Health Canada’s quality assurance tests and will begin supplying patients soon. Hydropothecary promises to be “ready to set a new benchmark in the nation's medical marijuana industry… and truly superior customer service." But within those promises lie the flaws that have plagued the other seventeen LPs.

“Hydropothecary's concierge customer service offering includes free and convenient after-hours and weekend courier delivery, guaranteed supply for registered clients, a 100% satisfaction guarantee and a dedicated 24-hour hotline for patients and police services” boasts their press release. This leads to questions about an industry’s eighteenth member whose featured selling points are based on the failings of its first seventeen. How did it take this long for an LP to base their mandate on customer service?

Part of that mandate is to guarantee supply, something that has troubled the other seventeen LPs. How is Health Canada still committed to the LP model if after nearly twenty licences they still can’t get it right? And for Hydropothecary to celebrate its virtues in direct comparison to its industry’s flaws is in and of itself an indictment of the LP model. It’s like a new restaurant opening up and flaunting a promise not to give customers food poisoning.

We also wonder, almost laughingly, about after-hours delivery. Is there any service more convenient for patients than their own gardens? If you have tomatoes in your backyard, chances are you’re not spending much time wandering the produce aisle at Loblaws. And we can understand a 24-hour hotline for patients (especially given the bacteria-infected products of other LPs), but why a similar service for police? Is your pharmacist prone to calling the constabulary after you pick up your other prescriptions?

Hydropothecary has also had issues with pricing as noted by the Ottawa Citizen: “When it won its production license last autumn, the firm anticipated charging anywhere between $26 and $32 per gram depending on the marijuana strain. That was easily double the market rate.” The LP now promises its four products will cost $15/gram, which puts it among the most expensive among the LPs, a growing problem in an industry that refuses to offer discounts to low-income patients.

Interestingly, the company’s name (though an attempt to be clever) is an indictment of the industry. The portmanteau borrows from “apothecary”, a precursor to the pharmacy, and an anachronistic term most often associated with societies and eras long past. Though the word is still used in some parts of the world, in North America it suggests a practice that is now outdated and made redundant by the modernization of the manner in which we distribute medicine.

We fear that Hydropothecary is not the last LP, but we hope that it is. The manner in which they’ve presented themselves borders on parody, an SNL sketch lambasting the flaws in the LP system. But, unfortunately, it is not a parody and it is not funny. Simply put, our medicine needs to return to our gardens. Eighteen is enough.

- See more at: http://cannabisincan...4.snCa2jqj.dpuf

 

http://cannabisincan...blog/18-enough/



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 09:51 PM

Hmm. While I agree with the author on many points, I dont think 18 or 19 is enough because the market price hasnt dropped to what wholesale costs should be.

 

Competition is whats supposed to make that happen and half these guys dont have product people want to buy.

 

The guys that do have proper product (Tilray) know people will pay a premium because no one else has it.

 

We were starting to see that price fall with some of the newer LP's Maricann and RedeCan, and if the Hydropothecary thinks their business plan will work then I say: Good Luck.

 

The basic customer service things that all these LPs should be providing can and will set them apart. Evening and weekend delivery is lucrative though I highly doubt unknown strains at $15/g is desirable to the market.

 

I do find it mind boggling that no one knows the market other than Tilray but 18 other companies invested millions...

 

Also I dont think the author knows that the 24hour police line is for police to check if prescriptions are real and is actually really important so patients do not get arrested. The Health Canada MMAR ATP line does not work for MMPR patients.


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Posted 08 June 2015 - 12:30 AM

I called asked about assisted pricing and was told they were working on it, so that might make it interesting for me, I hate tilray since they re one of if not tge most unethical LP

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 12:38 AM

How is Tilray unethical? Tilray is the only one not paying cutbacks to doctors. They are doing a PTSD study and they are adding assisted pricing too...
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Posted 08 June 2015 - 01:25 AM

Is the market price really supposed to reflect wholesale prices. Unfortunately this is a retail market for medicine that they assume patients have insurance coverage for when probably less than 1/10 actually have insurance. I agree that the price needs to come down and it needs to move away from the retail type pricing but unless we are all ready to commit to an lp for a lb a month every month I don't know how they are supposed to treat it like whole sale when the average order is no where near the whole sale measuring point of pounds. Instead camh, our doctors, justice Manson, health minister and pm all want us to pay the same for 150 grams of retail medicine as we would if we were in the wholesale marketplace grabbing lbs every month.

Until we start buying huge amounts that are actually wholesale I don't think they will price it like that. My first question for all these Lps is always howmuch per pound and they tell me they work on a smaller scale. That is retail. Or something ugly. I would like to see prices drop by about half to compensate for the complete lack of insured and or rich people consuming the mmpr meds

Not to mention that paying taxes on cannabis that I can grow makes me sick
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Posted 08 June 2015 - 03:32 AM

It is pretty much wholesale. A prescription is almost a contract as long as the LP provides what the patient wants.

 

multiple months multiplied by 30 days multiplied by number of grams per day and we start talking about a huge wholesale amount that a client is almost guaranteed to buy. it starts being pounds over time.

 

its not even close to retail because we are buying it directly from these farm and practically promise to repeat our purchases.

 

theres no middleman taking profit like a dispensary would. its direct. theres no overhead.

 

What other good does not come cheaper when buying like this???

 

it is not meant to be a system that a casual user comes and makes 1 single purchase like a retail store. its meant for a professional user to bulk purchase.


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